Post by waldo on Nov 12, 2008 6:02:39 GMT
M.: Whose is the body? You were without it in your deep sleep. After
the ‘I’-thought arose the body arose. The first birth is that of ‘I’-
thought. The body has its birth subsequent to ‘I’-thought. So its
birth is secondary. Get rid of the primary cause and the secondary
one will disappear by itself.
D.: How is that ‘I’-thought to be checked from rising?
M.: By Self-quest.
D.: I try to understand but without success. Can I find the Self by
means of japa? If so, please tell me how.
M.: What japa? Why should you make artificial Japa? You can find
out the eternal and natural japa always going on within you.
D.: Some upadesh will probably help me.
M.: If I say “Do - Rama, Rama” to one who has not struggled through
books like you, he will do it and stick to it. If I say so to one like
you who have read much and are investigating matters, you will
not do it for long, because you will think, “Why should I do it?
Above all, who am I that should be repeating the mantra? Let me
find who I am before I proceed further”; and so you will stop japa
and begin investigation.
D.: It is said: The senses are out-going (paranchikhani); inward
turned (is) sight (avrittachakshuh). What is avrittachakshuh
(inward-turned sight)?
M.: It does not mean replacement of the eyeball in the opposite
direction. (Admin:
) What is chakshuh?
D.: The eye.
M.: Does the eye see or is it someone behind the eye that sees? If the
eye could see, then does a corpse see? The one who is behind the
eye sees through the eye. He is meant by the word chakshuh.
D.: Divya chakshuh is necessary to see the glory of God. This physical
eye is the ordinary chakshuh.
M.: Oh! I see. You want to see million-sun-splendour and the rest
of it! (Admin:)
D.: Can we not see the glory as million-sun-splendour?
(An extract from Talk 336)
the ‘I’-thought arose the body arose. The first birth is that of ‘I’-
thought. The body has its birth subsequent to ‘I’-thought. So its
birth is secondary. Get rid of the primary cause and the secondary
one will disappear by itself.
D.: How is that ‘I’-thought to be checked from rising?
M.: By Self-quest.
D.: I try to understand but without success. Can I find the Self by
means of japa? If so, please tell me how.
M.: What japa? Why should you make artificial Japa? You can find
out the eternal and natural japa always going on within you.
D.: Some upadesh will probably help me.
M.: If I say “Do - Rama, Rama” to one who has not struggled through
books like you, he will do it and stick to it. If I say so to one like
you who have read much and are investigating matters, you will
not do it for long, because you will think, “Why should I do it?
Above all, who am I that should be repeating the mantra? Let me
find who I am before I proceed further”; and so you will stop japa
and begin investigation.
D.: It is said: The senses are out-going (paranchikhani); inward
turned (is) sight (avrittachakshuh). What is avrittachakshuh
(inward-turned sight)?
M.: It does not mean replacement of the eyeball in the opposite
direction. (Admin:
) What is chakshuh?D.: The eye.
M.: Does the eye see or is it someone behind the eye that sees? If the
eye could see, then does a corpse see? The one who is behind the
eye sees through the eye. He is meant by the word chakshuh.
D.: Divya chakshuh is necessary to see the glory of God. This physical
eye is the ordinary chakshuh.
M.: Oh! I see. You want to see million-sun-splendour and the rest
of it! (Admin:
)D.: Can we not see the glory as million-sun-splendour?
(An extract from Talk 336)